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Supreme Kai's power?; Is the Supreme Kai strong or weak?
Topic Started: Jul 2 2013, 04:59 PM (2,019 Views)
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So I've been wondering this for a long time: Is the Supreme Kai strong or weak?
At first you'd think he's strong, because he is the Supreme Kai!!! The highest man in the universe, also he states each Supreme Kai is a 1000 times stronger than Frieza. Also Daizenshuu 7 says he is far superior to Super Namekian Piccolo.
Yet he is scared of Babidi's men, He is afraid of Dabura, Yakon and even Pui Pui, who is defeated by Vegeta by a single blow! So how can Supreme Kai be stronger than Piccolo yet weaker than Pui Pui?
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Kaioshin isn't directly afraid of Babidi's henchmen. He says the Saiyans should be cautious. He's afraid of Babidi's magic. There is really no way of telling how strong he is. Possibly around Semi-Perfect Cell's level. That's where I have him.
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Its never stated that Kaioshin is weaker than Pui Pui...
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Jul 2 2013, 05:43 PM
Its never stated that Kaioshin is weaker than Pui Pui...
And it's never stated that he is weaker than Yakon or Dabra either :)
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He was definitely afraid of Dabura and Yakon, hence why he wanted to gang up on Yakon instead of fighting separately. I don't know where you got this "1000 times stronger" than Frieza, it sure ain't in the manga. Not a fan of the Daiz, so I don't believe anything they say, if it ain't in the manga, it's not canon to me. Shin seems to me to be if not weaker than Piccolo, at least equal to him.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

The whole 1,000x stronger than Freeza is a dub line I believe though in the original manga he does basically say that all the kais were capable of defeating Freeza in an instant.

The fact that Kaioshin has the ability to sense ki, has seen SSJ2 Adult Gohan in action and felt his power, Has felt a burst from SSJ2 Goku, has constantly seen the Saiyans smack around opponents described as the strongest in the universe and still ha the gall to think Pui Pui, Yakaon and perhaps for a slightly better reason Dabura were incredibly insanely powerful opponents and if you didn't watch out, if you didn't team up together, you were going to die.

Again, a ugy who has shown to sense ki and felt powers that would curbstomp all of these people Dabura included, and it wasn't even the strongest SSj2 power he felt, he would've felt Goku's burst which would've gone passed Gohan too we assume.

In short, a combination of just poor writing on AT's part, Kaioshin was turned into an stupid kid who whined and cried all the time even when it was quite clear the Saiyans were capable from the start to be able to handle any of these threats non-chalantly. Maybe if he couldn't sense ki it would be one thing but he can and so his response should be "Yo Gohan, use that SSj form or even SSj2 and start annihilating these ****es!"

or

"Damn Vegeta you're hardcore, you completely crushed that guy in base, take on the rest if you can, you got Super Saiyan right? Ooh Super Saiyan 2, goody take em all on for me."

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"Whoa Goku, what power, this is going to be a cinch to kill all of these men, Dabura doesn't stand a chance!"

instead he stood there, wide eyed like a sick baby aardvark who had its nuts chopped off. A far cry from that stoic and cool looking guy that made even Piccolo freak whether through power and/or authority. It took anything that was important about Kaioshin or anything we were supposed to take seriously, and put in the grinder, turned into a goop and fed back to the crying aardvark all the messy sad crap we had to deal with when it was around.

In the end, it was a bad character, with a bad personality, with bad judgment, contradictory points at that and overall badly written.
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http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8515914&t=8371634

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@KP It all comes down to one thing; Does Kaioshin know the Saiyans aren't going to use SSJ in the tournament?
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Jul 2 2013, 07:39 PM
@KP It all comes down to one thing; Does Kaioshin know the Saiyans aren't going to use SSJ in the tournament?
How would he know of that rule when it was made on the plane ride there?
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Jul 2 2013, 07:41 PM
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@KP It all comes down to one thing; Does Kaioshin know the Saiyans aren't going to use SSJ in the tournament?
How would he know of that rule when it was made on the plane ride there?
Exactly. Maybe Kaioshin is expecting SSjin Goku.
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@KP It all comes down to one thing; Does Kaioshin know the Saiyans aren't going to use SSJ in the tournament?
How would he know of that rule when it was made on the plane ride there?
Exactly. Maybe Kaioshin is expecting SSjin Goku.
It doesn't matter if he was expecting Super Saiyan 10 Goku.
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@KP It all comes down to one thing; Does Kaioshin know the Saiyans aren't going to use SSJ in the tournament?
How would he know of that rule when it was made on the plane ride there?
Exactly. Maybe Kaioshin is expecting SSjin Goku.
It doesn't matter if he was expecting Super Saiyan 10 Goku.
Don't know about that. If his expectations are a Super Saiyan, obviously he would be surprised at the strength Vegeta showed against Pui-Pui. They were stronger than he thought.
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@KP It all comes down to one thing; Does Kaioshin know the Saiyans aren't going to use SSJ in the tournament?
How would he know of that rule when it was made on the plane ride there?
Exactly. Maybe Kaioshin is expecting SSjin Goku.
It doesn't matter if he was expecting Super Saiyan 10 Goku.
Don't know about that. If his expectations are a Super Saiyan, obviously he would be surprised at the strength Vegeta showed against Pui-Pui. They were stronger than he thought.
I basically addressed this entire point in the link in my earlier post.
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He tells (Super Saiyan; not explicitly) Vegeta to be careful of Pui Pui and can't believe it when Pui Pui's roasted by Vegeta in base form.
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Jul 2 2013, 07:52 PM
He tells (Super Saiyan; not explicitly) Vegeta to be careful of Pui Pui and can't believe it when Pui Pui's roasted by Vegeta in base form.
Ah, my colleague understands precisely what I am saying.
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